Inactive members

Hello, all.

I've noticed that it's taking forever for our guild to gain ranks.

Maybe we could clean our roster from people that hasn't logged in the past 5 months? I mean, there are members that hasn't logged since 2008 and I doubt they will ever resub.

I can be the cleaner if needed, since Ben is getting married and I always have some free time at lunch for some administrative playtime (doesn't have GPU at work, so I can't play for realz).

Cheers!

PS. Last time we rocked @ Nordenwatch T4. Yay, fun!

I agree with Pulitzer something has to be done in this regard.

Well unless the plan is to clear inactives and move the actives in the child guild over, it won't affect leveling speed.

Mythic lies to us. Or at least doesn't give us the truth. Let's start from thhere. I took this from a post where the OP's guild went from 31 to 37 in one week. one week... =P A lot of the confusion comes from the muddled way Mythic communicated guild experience and inactives in Grab Bag #2. Some key points: * "The total number of members in a guild does not impact Guild XP gain directly. It's based on characters who have recently contributed experience. The system takes into account the characters’ level, and is balanced in a way to allow guilds of all sizes to level up at comparable (but not necessarily equal) rates." In point of fact, the system doesn't do a lot to take into account the character's level. High level guild members appear to contribute a lot more than low level members. If you want to level your guild quickly, you should boot all alts. * "There is no need to boot inactive characters from your guild’s roster. If a character has not logged in, that character is not affecting the contribution rating at all." The OP's guild has apparently shown that this is not true. If you want to level your guild quickly, you should boot all inactive members. The OP's guild has taken this to the extreme and booted members every minute they are inactive. * "Even level 40's continue to contribute guild experience as long as they are participating in activities that lend them experience." In fact, Level 40s appear to contribute a lot more than lower level characters. Mythic isn't going to want to comment directly because if the OP's actions are working, then a lot of what Mythic told us back in October just wasn't true. If a player is inactive, for a minute or for a month, it "is not affecting the contribution rating at all," according to Mythic. The unfortunate fact, in my experience, is that guild experience is enhanced by having a hardcore guild dedicated to advancing in every way possible... not just by playing the game well or long (which is good) but even moreso by playing the system. To wit: 1) Players who log in, but don't gain xp/rp hurt your guild. That means that guilds who dump bank alts, crafting alts and the like will level faster. (This conforms with what Mythic has said because those alts are logged in but not earning xp. My guild booted them immediately after Mythic's statement.) Crafting in general hurts your guild. Where possible, all crafting should be done by non-guilded alts. 2) Players who gain xp/rp at reduced levels, especially alts, hurt your guild. Guilds who refuse to admit player alts, or flat out refuse to allow players who have alts, will level faster. Hardcore guilds who boot casual players will do better as well. (I'm not saying that should not be the case, but we need to be clear that it is the way things are.) 3) Players who aren't logged in hurt your guild. Guilds who boot inactive players, even for just portions of the day, will level faster. I've personally tested #1 and #2 and found them to be true. The OP has apparently tested #3 and found it to be true, despite the fact that Mythic has assured us that that's not the case. Guilds are a crucial part of a good MMO. They provide a place for friends to gather and friendships to blossom. MMOs past their prime often still have players because people don't want to leave their guildmates beind. Unfortunately, the Warhammer guild system doesn't promote friendly guilds of people (casual or hardcore) who want to play together. It fosters an environment where bank alts, crafting alts, low level alts, temporarily inactive players and anyone else who can't row must be tossed off the boat for the advancement of the guild. The players recognize this, even if Mythic does not. I would imagine that instead of addressing the systemic problems, Mythic will institute a limit on the number of times a player can rejoin a guild in a given period of time. For example, "Players must wait at least X days before rejoining a guild they have left" or "Players may only join a guild three times per week." That will create a whole new set of issues that reduce the fun of the game while leaving in place all the problems of a faulty system poorly communicated to players, but... oh well.

As I've stated before characters that are not logged on do not effect leveling of the guild. this has been stated many times. A lot of those inactives since 2008 like Elyzaria who got moved on a game development project and hasn't been able to play for some time. Elspath who lost her job and can not afford to play, or spumante who got shipped off to the middle east. As we hit the 490 mark I plan on clearing those who never registered to the website out of the family by date of their last login, however there are some who I will not remove as I know their situation and I know when it improves or they return home they are going to want to be part of the family. However being Mythic themselves have stated in more than one place that inactives are not a part of the guild leveling scale, I don't see any reason to start booting people until our cap is pressed. Last thing I want to do is take away someones home while their away without good reason. "It is a sound system involving a lot of math, which is designed with the idea that players have alts and that there are as many large and small casual guilds as there are large and small hardcore ones. There is no need to boot inactive characters from your guild’s roster. If a character has not logged in, that character is not affecting the contribution rating at all. Our ultimate goal when designing this system was to ensure that all types of guilds are able to level up on an equal playing field whether they’re large or small, casual or hardcore. " - From Grab Bag No. 2 - Featuring Guild Commands!

@Foghladha Sorry, but I don't trust what Mythic says. I've read lots os posts about that when my RL friends and I had a guild @ Dark Crag. Read my prior post, please. Original thread: http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/110482407/p1 Cheers.

By the way, I agree that people we know that are way but will eventually come back don't need to be booted. It's the people we don't know, never registered and probably quit the game forever that I'm talking about.

Honestly I've seen our numbers jump greatly when we've had T4's doing lost vale and other high level dungeons. Those are the days we top 1 million. Your level 31 to 37 was most likely using an exploit or having only level 40's log in all week and hitting lost vale. I've analyzed the numbers myself and have found that its mostly based on how much exp was earned. The days we PvP we usually get less than the days we PvE. Honestly i think this should be reversed but that's not so the case. Think about it. If numbers were the issue why isn't loremasters getting millions of exp every day? They only have like 11 members and 3 of which play daily. We experimented with this a lot with Gasicioch na Anu. Bulzeye, Don and I did extensive testing. It didn't matter if just 1 of us played or 10 of us played or 50 of us were offline. The big gains for the family came from LV and Crypts. Bastian does jack. We managed to level the baby guild in 10 minutes once by having a group of 6 gna go through the crypts. We should be aiming at hitting that million mark. That's where we used to be. And honestly Leveling a guild isn't work sacrificing people you care about. We are not a hard core family, kicking out members to level a guild is a hard core guild thing to do, see Brigid de morte. Also we will not be turning GnA into an inactives guild. I want both halves to be equally active so that we can have the ability to claim 2 keeps at the same time. I would also like to get Sigmar Scrolls on the young version.

I've also heard that claming a keep doesn't give XP for itself, but gives a bonus to XP gain. not sure about this info, but maybe guilds claim keeps and go high end PvE? =P I know I would love a shiny faster mount, heh.

Figure out what Iron Legion did yesterday. They topped 2 Million exp in 1 day.

Fact is were not a L33tist family. That's the bottom line. We don't outcast people for EXP. We don't tell people how to play. This is the reason we have lost so many players over the past year. A lot of them wanted the L33tist life and we just don't fit that bill. Not then not ever. That is not the Gaiscioch way. Just because a game waves a pretty exp point in front of your face don't be soo inclined to chase to to where it leads. As many have learned in this game the end game rarely lives up to the journey between. Enjoy every day whether your level 1 or 40. Don't worry about levels just worry about if your enjoying your experience. Its not about the beginning or the end its about the journey in between. I can completely understand if this thinking isn't what your used too or comfortable with. It is rare. But this is what makes US different than THEM. Time will pass and we will find our way to the same destination. The difference is we will actually enjoy the trip.

Not worrying about the endgame is what I always did since UO. There's a difference between that and having 300 members that will never come back. But I will not touch in this subject again. Cya later tonight.

If we want to level a bit, I'd be willing to organize/run PQ's, I think both exp, inf, and renown all count towards guild leveling...And if it's biased towards PvE for it, maybe we should try and focus one night a week on PvE stuff...

I would love to do some t4 pve stuff. Especially if it helps the low T4s level into higher T4 and some gear.

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